To(ma)to
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Post by To(ma)to on Jan 21, 2013 23:20:19 GMT -5
Because everyone knows the Sandy Hook shooting was orchestrated by the government to push their anti-gun agenda forward! /sarcasm
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Post by Shocktail on Jan 22, 2013 23:42:10 GMT -5
This'll be good. I'm not sure how it is in other countries, but here in 'MURICA we have the second amendment (right to bear arms). It is my opinion that gun laws are fine where they are now, as they are already quite restrictive in certain states. I am very opposed to any new laws that would further inhibit concealed carry permits or the like, as I plan on getting one myself as soon as I am old enough. Shootings are a damn shame, but somehow I doubt more gun control would make them magically disappear.
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To(ma)to
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Post by To(ma)to on Jan 24, 2013 12:58:52 GMT -5
I think it's funny that just about every week, a UPS truck delivers another box of ammo to our house.
But, honestly, the real criminals will just get their guns off the black market, just like how they get their illegal drugs now. I really believe the main problem is our mental healthcare system sucks.
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cheerybunny
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Post by cheerybunny on Jan 28, 2013 15:10:55 GMT -5
Hey (: Not active here anymore, but this topic piqued my interest enough to comment.
Obviously I'm talking from the UK perspective here. I'm personally really glad that we have strict gun control laws/strict checks here, because guns scare the living daylights out of me. I'd be really nervous to be in a place where anyone could have a gun on them, where literally anyone could pull it out and shoot me and there would be nothing I could do about it. Sure, there's always the black market for criminals and they'll always find ways around, but it's a heck of a lot more difficult for someone here to get hold of a gun. If you go the illegal route there's a fair chance you'll be caught anyway.
People always cite the high knife crime in the UK back at you if you point out how low our gun crime is compared to 'murica, but to be honest I prefer it this way (best of two evils?) Because how many people can a guy with a knife kill if they're all running away compared to a bloke with a gun? Also if someone pulled a knife on me - considering that I'm a black belt in karate and know how to stop knives - there's a pretty decent chance that I'm gonna live. But there would be no defending myself against a gun. All I'd be able to do was run away and hope they were a crap shot. Even say I had my own gun on me, if they've attacked me they've pulled theirs first. I'm still screwed.
However. I do not think that more gun control is the answer in America 'cause there are so many guns already floating about there. I think you should get stricter checks in and quite possibly Walmart shouldn't be selling guns/ammunition to anyone who walks in... but really, you guys have kind of crossed the event horizon with this one (; You can't just take away all the guns. I agree with Jake in that what needs to be done is improve the mental health system, de-stigmatise it and have a better understanding/acceptance of various conditions amongst the general public. This ought to cut down the shootings, right? (: My two cents.
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Post by Aqua on Jan 28, 2013 15:28:30 GMT -5
I really believe the main problem is our mental healthcare system sucks. I could not agree MORE I am dreading the day i am referred to the adult mental health service dear lord save me
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Post by zoroai on Jan 31, 2013 8:02:21 GMT -5
Because I'm stupid, all I know is that you people in 'MURICA sell guns or amuunition (or both?) in Wal-Mart. That made me facepalm so many times. You really need to restrict their availability! But you can't exactly do that suddenly. I'm starting to think that the only good laws in Australia are the gun laws. That's probably because we have a shit leader. Oh she also cut cancer research funding and funding to single parents. Oops I went a bit off topic haha.
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To(ma)to
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Post by To(ma)to on Jan 31, 2013 12:49:25 GMT -5
Well its not like I can just walk into Walmart and say, "Hey, I want a gun." and they'll just sell me one without question. We do have some amount of regulation, because it would be stupid not to. The problem is, the new gun laws being proposed assume the average criminal runs around with assault rifles all the time. In reality, it's the mentally disturbed white kid you've got to worry about. The anti-gun group seems to only be thinking about the tool and not the person behind it. I will admit, though, I don't see why a civilian would need armor-piercing rounds. Also, this is completely relevant: petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/require-all-civilian-firearms-be-painted-pink/YfFtRGVL
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